Hell in the Vader comic they got witted by a Padawan, the tenth brother was a former master and died to a group of clones when he had 2 other inquisitors with him. I agree. Maul, the Dathomirian Zabrak male who would become the feared Darth Maul, was born on Dathomir to Kycina, a Human Nightsister of Mother Talzin's coven and a Zabrak father who, by tradition, was murdered after Maul's conception. you can have master jedi at lower levels. Kanan before going blind did better against Vader than cal or cere and after going blind was able to beat maul in a somewhat circumstantial victory. I really need help here, but I am admittedly far behind on anything new in canon, especially the games. Cal Kestis vs Ahsoka Tano. But the point is inquisitors are clearly confident in taking Jedi masters, at least #2 and 9. He was the younger brother of Savage Opress and Darth Maul, and a son of Mother Talzin. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. These feats alone easily put kanan above everyone else in saber skill. And then a comment was made that made it appear, to me, as though the tiering was in regards to using the Force: To source and explain the tiering I brought up, and as to "when was it ever said...", that would be December 22, 2004: How does one quantify fighting prowess, and does such a quantity have any practical value? Sidious is nigh the most powerful mortal in all the galaxy, and Maul gave him a fight that, even though Sidious ended it decisively, gave Sidious a run for his money...for a moment. Both Cal and the Inquisitors are trash. In my opinion in terms of lightsaber skill it goes blind kanan>kylo>cal>cere>ezra=rey. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! Not a chance. He wielded two crossguard lightsabers. Superhero Class. Huge mismatch. @kingjedi: Ha you made me chuckle there. At some point after the Battle of Yavin, the smuggler Sana Starros recovered his pair of crossguard lightsabers. Vader and Maul — two guys nobody would willingly choose to face in battle. Cal is fully upgraded with 8 stims and his double-bladed lightsaber. Maybe then I can better reply. Ashoka takes duos of them at a time, maul thrashed 3 of them, pre prime Vader treated all of them together as fodder in their training and stomped grand Inquisitor. in dueling it goes: in dueling that is, how the scaling is. R1: On Dathomir in the Tomb of Kujet where Cal and Merrin fought Malicos. you can have master jedi at lower levels. the tiers are solely for lightsaber skills. Yeah not really close. He has far superior feats with the Force and much better dueling skills. He could compete with high-level Jedi Masters like Qui-Gon Jinn. He has far superior feats with the Force and much better dueling skills. The inquisitors were not sith, and Cal struggled with those. Maul wins, but any notion that Vader stomped him harder than Emperor did Maul is nonsense, We have Palpatine ragdolling and crub stomping both Maul and Savage combained in the begining and pinning them against wall and holding them there for multiple seconds, and he was doing it complelty effortlesly to the point that he was laughing while doing it, all of them were trying their hardest to escape yet they could not do anything, not even make him feel even slightest bit of resistance, he the only let them go when he chose to do so so that he can play with them, this is similar to what Vader did to Cal but Emperor did that to 2 force users, not just one and he was laughing while doing it, it was that effortles to him, Maul and Savage combained are less than insects to Palpatine, even in the end of their fight rage amped Maul who is much strogner then on his base level got crub stomped by Emperor like if he was less than insect, even Dooku( somone who is above Maul in force) is less than insect to the Emperor, Maul fighting with Emperor with sabers and kicking him is not proof that he is good dullest or force user in any way, he was doing it because Emperor was toying with him, it was like Superman toying with Batman so Batman kicks him few times, in the novelization of clone wars( primary canon to EU and lower canon to Disney canon but it still tells us characters capabilities ) Maul even gets speed blitzed, Palpatine, in the end, starts to increase his speed to the point that Maul sees blades from evrey possible directions coming at him at once and then even more than that and gets speed blitzed, clearly showing that Emperor can speed blitz and one-shot rage amped Maul if he wanted to, Emperor is, without doubt, trillions of times more powerful than Maul not only by feats(effortlesly lifting 10 000 star destroyers at his weakest) but also by in-universe standing, the gap between Emperor and maul is far bigger than the gap between Vader and Cal which is alredy enermous, Emperor destroyed entire rebel fleet with lightning, and while he was amped by powers of Kylo and Rey, both of them are fodders to him so that amp was very small and meaningless and only served to bring him to his ROTJ Level since he was very weakened as corpse, and he destroyed rebel fleet while laughing, so it was effortles so that amp did not help him here, so, without doubt, Emperor could easily kill hundreds or thousands of Darth Mauls with single force lightning attack, So Maul fighting somone who was toying with him is by no menas show of his power, not any more than Batman lasting agisnt Superman more than Hal Jordan in justice league wars is, OT: Maul should win in a decent to easy fight. Unfortunately for him, he taught most of his knowledge to his deceptive apprentice who turned on him. And while Obi-Wan may have fought Darth Maul, he didn’t preform particularly well. "George Lucas works on a system of levels... For the curious, Gillard does not reveal any Jedi who has achieved level ten. At some point after the Galactic Republic was reorganized into the Galactic Empire, he was inducted into an Imperial agency of Force-sensitive assassins called the Inquisitorius, w… It's set from a clearly limited narrative POV that covers only one side of SW - Cal and Cere's journey - and AFAIK it doesn't once reference Sidious/Palpatine as a Sith (feel free to prove otherwise, been a while since I played it). R2: Same as R1 but Cal and Merrin both have lightsabers. Even with a rage boost he offered less resistance than Qui-Gon. She took one to a crime lord on Hradreek whilst selling the other to the Galactic Empire. Although, I'm not trying to prove that Grievous is somehow more skilled then Maul, just that the gap in skill is not as big as you are trying to paint it and Grievous could put up a fight without geting stomped in blade exchange. Then padawan cal proceeded to freeze a whole squad of clones as a child with the force, a feat easily master level. Maul took on Sidious and showed us one heck of a fight (after Savage is killed), one of the best fast-and-furious, blades-only duels in all of Star Wars. He has very good showings of course, and he did defeat two Inquisitors in combat, which is no small feat. Maul curbstomped Savage Opress in seconds, Savage being able to kill a Jedi Master with ease before he was even trained in the Force. I'll say it again. If this was 1 vs 1 then likely the fight against Maul would also continue. Star Wars duels, however, rarely occur on equal footing or level ground. 1 Interlude 2 Ezra Bridger 3 Cal Kestis 4 Death Battle 4.1 Fight 4.2 K.O. Cal was barely good enough to be a Jedi knight, and never actually got the training to pass as one. When Kestis stabbed Vader, he was only able too because two others were there and the water barrier was broken. I suspect it's because Force Slow is a relatively unique power in Canon, so few Force users can adequately resist it like they do with Push or Pull. Star Wars' Darksaber is among the franchise's most legendary items, making appearances in Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars: Rebels and most recently, The Mandalorian.While fans continue to speculate who owns the weapon in The Mandalorian, a new fan theory on Reddit claims that Luke Skywalker is the Darksaber's rightful owner.. Reddit user u/ImpulsiveBeetle connects the dots between … Maul is tiers upon tiers above Cal in every category that matters. The former Sith gives a speech similar to the one Count Dooku gave … The individual who became known as the Fifth Brother originally occupied a position within the Jedi Order and survived Order 66. Cal is basically one of those randoms that are in Maul's way when he's butchering his way to the real fight. I brought up the scaling used to create the saber skill tiers in the PT. Jannah vs. Ki-Adi-Mundi 289. Launch: Some of them just happen to have gotten this opportunity at the… strangest time. So Cal, a beginner-stage Padawan, under a vastly sub-par teacher, became even worse after Order 66. This Cal overestimation is ridiculous. His master's death weakened his connection to the Force, and the majority of the game is just Cal trying to work himself back up the level he was before. They have a consistent record of being garbage. on topic the Disparity as nearly as great against Maul as it was against Vader. level 1. the tiers are solely for lightsaber skills. Feral was among those chosen by Nightsister Asajj Ventress to become her chosen champion in her campaign of vengeance against her former master, Count Dooku. In game, Darth Vader is the only enemy who's immune to it; the Inquisitors and even Taron Malicos are vulnerable. Maul wins 10/10; every time with no difficulty. Maul asks, echoing the question Luke Skywalker posed to Rey in 2017’s The Last Jedi. Considering Cal was left alive, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they make another game and Cal has to fight Maul. @kingjedi: I felt they were close since maul was stomped by the emperor who is of a similar skill level as Vader who well stomped cal, @mo_ali: Maul performed way better against Sidious then Cal against Vader. I’d give this to Maul 10/10. Savage's death would continue to fuel his brother Maul's rage for the rest of his life. People are having a hard time correctly evaluating Cal it seems, probably a result of the medium. Kit Fisto 288. on topic the Disparity as nearly as great against Maul as it was against Vader. Gulf of Aden, et al. And also the inquisitors weren’t a part of order 66, they hunted down Jedi after the order. Ok thanks for clarifying. Cal outmatched the Second Sister and the Ninth Sister, whereas this version of Kanan struggles HARD against any Inquisitor. Qui Gon only lost to Maul due to being in a tight battlefield that his fighting style didn’t work in, yet he was Jedi council master level. Order 66 is hard to determine because if we go by the eu logic, most Jedi’s sensing was hampered with my Sidious, allowing the clones to get a drop on them/defeat them while hampered. There are exceedingly few force combatants who would be able to land a kick on Sidious, and most especially one that would send Sidious flying across the room: The tiering system used for making the movies placed Maul on tier 8, which had other great duelists-some of the best other than the cream of the crop (Yoda, Sidious, ROTS Anakin). Darth Atrius was a male Sith Lord who lived during the time the Sith were plentiful and powerful. The highest is nine, occupied by a small number of capable sword masters... Qui Gon only lost to Maul due to being in a tight battlefield that his fighting style didn’t work in, yet he was Jedi council master level. ... Ahsoka Tano vs Darth Maul & … Jabba the Hutt vs. understood I’m guessing cal is more shaak ti level. below equal with maul… If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. As Palpatine described to Anakin in Revenge of the Sith, Darth Plagueis the Wise's knowledge of the dark side of the Force was so vast that he could stop the people he loved from perishing.. Cal is basically one of those randoms that are in Maul's way when he's butchering his way to the real fight. [Star Wars] Cal Kestis vs Kanan Jarrus Battle Haven’t played the game yet and I could never really get myself to enjoy Rebels too much, but it seems like an interesting matchup as they were both padawans who never completed their training by the time Order 66 came around. In that case maybe but maul was strong with the force, and also new how to defend against it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. Cal loses, very hard. Can you provide anything official that places the Emperor and Vader on a similar skill level? Was able to last longer against a non serious sidious. His master was fodder enough to lose to the same amount of clones Zett Jukasa lost to. @ckarma: the problem with inquisitors is we never get to see that. Maul knows niman and Yuyo the best, and teras kasä. Of course we’ve seen other masters lose to clone s(all of order 66) buts it’s just that the inquisitors are supposed to be these master characters but they don’t anything to back it up. Ezra and Cal is below Mauls pay grade. "Displayed competence" is so far removed from mastery. Cal Kestis and Nightsister Merrin (Jedi Fallen Order) vs. Darth Maul (Star Wars Canon) Battle. Afterward, comments were made that appeared (to me) to discuss the tiering as though it had something to do with ranks in the Jedi Order: "Cal is a high tier jedi knight at the absolute most, I personally put him at mid knight though, which is where most inquisitors sit besides people like the gi who is low master. Could Cal beat Darth Maul with his robotic legs after the end of Fallen Order? @darthadi: understood just give me a holla if you want me to delete. Cal Kestis vs Darth Vader (JFO) Grogu vs Cal Kestis. ps if you feel it’s a mismatch I’ll delete. I'd give it to Maul 9/10, on the off-chance that Cal's Slow ability works on him. @ckarma: wasn’t his master not that impressive? Didn’t his master die in order 66? 3 Jedi masters could easily take on ten clones. I’d argue that he’s not slowing time, just increasing his speed and reflexes. When Stunt Coordinator and Sword Master Nick Gillard sets down to script a lightsaber duel, he needs to have some guage as to how competent the combatants are. There was nothing similar in the fights. @co-boss: Second sister asks cal who his master was and then says “Someone I killed?”, so idk about that. As soon as Maul begins to tell his own history, Ezra looks intrigued and sympathetic. To top it off, Cal didn't use his lightsaber for 5 years. I’m mostly running off of what I’ve heard about the game and some light scaling, I really need to play it. Feel like Cal should be low tier master level at. Insane mismatch, Maul rekts him. Darth Plagueis is the Sith Lord who mentored Palpatine and is best known for his mastery of immortality. Kylo and Cal stomp both rounds. 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